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Miley Cyrus once noted the irony of the controversy surrounding female nipples, explaining that most of society is comfortable with the rest of the breast area (side boob, underboob, cleavage), which is the part exclusive to women, but the nipple, which both men and women have, is largely prohibited from being displayed. In the virtual world, posting female nipples violates most platforms community guidelines. In real life, most states legislation on female toplessness is somewhat vague, banning “intimate parts” from being shown. Of course, these “intimate parts” have only been deemed so because of society’s sexualization of the female body. Of course, it is natural for there to be an element of attraction to both the male and female bodies - otherwise there would be significantly less procreation. But when comparing the two, there is nothing inherently more sexual about a females chest than that of a mans (in fact, it serves more of a nonsexual purpose than a mans through breastfeeding, which is also banned in many states). Therefore, the problem lies in the fact that they are not treated as such under the law. Beyond a common sense argument, #Freethenipple advocates argue that it violates the 14th amendment by creating a law that applies only to women. The New Hampshire Supreme Court dismissed this argument by ruling that it bars public nudity of both men and women, and “the traditional understanding of what constitutes nudity” includes female breasts. This is poor reasoning in the absence of any other legitimate distinction between male and female nipples, because “traditional understanding” has been overruled plenty of times. This is how traditional understanding is changed, at least in part. At one point, the traditional understanding was that everyone except for white men were inferior and the law supported this. When it was realized that there was nothing else to support this discrimination, the law was changed. At the time that the law was changed, there were still many who opposed it, but over time people got used it - and this is how society evolves. Female nipples are similar - the only reason to ban them is because that is the status quo and people have grown accustomed to it, but this is not sufficient enough to justify discrimination that is otherwise baseless. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-court-topless/u-s-supreme-court-refuses-to-free-the-nipple-in-topless-women-case-idUSKBN1ZC1HQ
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Bear with me, because I'm going to try to respond to this without being overly lewd. Prepare to censor me if needed -- especially since I happen to have female nipples. > "Miley Cyrus once noted the irony of the controversy surrounding female nipples, explaining that most of society is comfortable with the rest of the breast area (side boob, underboob, cleavage), which is the part exclusive to women, but the nipple, which both men and women have, is largely prohibited from being displayed. Welcome to the whimsical world of Misogynistic Logic :D > "But when comparing the two, there is nothing inherently more sexual about a females chest than that of a mans (in fact, it serves more of a nonsexual purpose than a mans through breastfeeding, which is also banned in many states)" Depends on a person's kink. Some (probably most) people get off on playing with them. Still others (probably only a niche group, though I have been proven wrong before...) have a fetish for the breastfeeding thing. So from a sexual preference standpoint, it pretty much is universally agreed that females have way more sexually-pleasing nipples than males. Not as many people who are into male nipples, because -- let's face it -- they're just not very interesting. They don't have a proper function, they don't really stand out, and it's only due to [embryonic laziness](https://www.livescience.com/32467-why-do-men-have-nipples.html) that men even have nipples at all. So if anything, *male nipples* ought to be censored for how utterly pointless and boring they are. But getting back to my point about how female nipples are, indeed, more sexual than men's: Just because this is true, doesn't mean that female nipples ought to be censored. If it did, then there ought to be a *laundry list* of censorable body parts, because people sexualize *anything* from toes to earlobes, and everything in between. Some people even get off on adding extra body parts -- even nonhuman ones (I would have inserted a link to an example here, but I just tried to Google a SFW example, and... well, there just isn't one). So, logically, since we can't feasibly censor the *entire human body*, we ought to just stop being whiny baby puritans, and let the nipple slip already.
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Accidentally deleted my previous reply, but so true! Very interesting perspective, I hadn't thought of it like that.
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Turi5y ago
😂. 🤣. ❤️ What's the nipple emoji?
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( . ) ( . ) Crap, now I'm going to get banned. Thanks, Turi.
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LeeAnn5y ago
Wow. That is very creative. Wonder if I would have been able to think of that (before you did it, of course)...
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LeeAnn5y ago
Oh, no! What have we gotten ourselves into? I like this opinion though as I feel that it forces us to look at quite a few social constructs.
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LeeAnn5y ago
While I believe in freedom of speech and that everyone has a right to express themselves, I have to say that I don’t agree with this opinion. I feel that nipples should be banned from ever being shown anywhere – whether it be on social media or in the general public. My main reason for feeling this way is because it’s become clear to me that we are living in a (highly) sexualized society. Or as Payton Saso (2019) puts it “women’s bodies have not just been sexualized but in fact have actually been hypersexualized…” What’s more, this can be seen in the deliberate way female breasts and more specifically the female nipple(s) are objectified today. It’s become a sex symbol, something to be associated with sex, indecent, crude and risqué behavior. And while I agree with Saso that this is an uncalled for over-sexualization and should definitely not be the case, this is unfortunately the reality we are currently living in – at least with regards to this situation. It is the way society in general, the media, and even men and women have been socialized as time has gone by. Or as Saso puts it “… hardwired into society that has led to women's nipples being viewed as borderline pornographic and men's nipples being viewed as an everyday norm.” As a result, it’s become abundantly clear that the main reason a woman’s nipples are considered private and a man’s isn’t is because a social construct has been created. I mean, there were and still are a few tribes in Africa (and South Africa) where women walk around topless and their breasts and nipples are openly displayed. The arcane lost team (2020) confirms this by informing us that breasts weren’t always such a matter of concern like they are today. Exposed breasts were quite the norm for many indigenous societies. Also, toplessness was common in parts of India, Thailand, Indonesia, most regions of Africa and in pre-Islamic cultures in the Middle East. Expanding on this they reveal that in countries like Laos, for example, virgin women used to be fully clothed, whereas married women with kids exposed their breasts in public because baring the breasts for breastfeeding was considered to be nonsexual. Covering of the breasts was considered a privilege, and only women of higher social and economic statuses covered their breasts. Interestingly, they also reveal to us that western culture considered being topless in public indecent and this influenced the covering up of both breasts and nipples, promoting this as a sign of modesty. So, my opinion stands. At this point in time (or until society and the world as a whole can achieve a level of respect where this is concerned) I do not believe that nipples are to be shown on social media or in public – it should be banned. Especially since as long as this new ‘culture’ of hyper or over sexualization of the female nipple is being cultivated, women will not be able to go topless with any sense of safety or security. Sources: 1) Opinion: Freeing the nipple is more about freedom than nipples https://www.statepress.com/article/2019/02/spopinion-stop-sexualizing-the-female-nipple [accessed January 26, 2021]. 2) Sexualization of Breasts - Arcane Lost https://arcanelost.com/sexualization-of-breasts/ [accessed January 26, 2021].
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Turi5y ago
Would exposing them eventually decrease their sexual significance?
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LeeAnn5y ago
No, definitely not – at least not with how nipples (and breasts) are currently being viewed. Which is exactly what I’m trying to say. I feel that maybe if people, the rest of the world an especially western culture (as they are so influential) became more aware of this (perception and objectification) and put in more of an effort to discourage this type of behavior, then it would present a shift in terms of how this whole thing with nipple exposure and breasts are viewed. I mean, women’s breasts in general are also a symbol of nurturing and life. Yet, I don’t see enough of this type of exposure happening. Also, maybe we don’t have to take it as far as posting of nipple pics on social media, but a woman has the right to be able to feel (reasonably) safe. Especially when she, for example, wears a see-through top or if she quickly needs to breastfeed her child in a relatively private area. P.S. I think that there is such a thing as people becoming so used to something that eventually it becomes "normal" or almost "normal." Maybe that is what has happened here and why there is such a shift in the way women's nipples are being perceived.
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Acies5y ago
This is an excellent point. With a society as saturated in pornography as ours is today, I think that the female nipple will always be associated with erotic thoughts, at least for men. Should women be free to expose their nipples? Yes. Should they be free to complain when men react a certain way? Also yes. Will they be taken seriously about their complaints? No. Will they use this to divide society more by complaining that it's a conspiracy by the organized Patriarchy to keep women oppressed? Also yes. Is this complaint justified? No. It's sad, but we created this situation. We have enough problems without adding more fuel to the fire.
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Ani345y ago
Sure go ahead. But don’t complain if Big John from the pub sexually assaults you.
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