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JenReneeGilley5y ago
**tl;dr – Both the Imperials and the Stormcloaks are flawed, but at least the Imperials' goals are for the betterment of Skyrim, unlike the Stormcloaks who are only out for themselves.**
I'll be upfront – on my very first playthrough, I sided with the Stormcloaks, because the Imperials had just tried to decapitate me, and it looked like they were persecuting Ulfric and his followers for daring to rise up against oppression. The game sets you up to be sympathetic towards the Stormcloaks, because it seems like they’ve been betrayed by the people who were supposed to protect them. *You* feel betrayed, because the Imperials have *your* head on the chopping block next to Ulfric’s, simply because you were at the wrong place at the wrong time. The Imperials seem like downright *villains*.
But the Stormcloaks are not all they appear to be, either. Underneath their banner of “justice” lies an inherent racism and hypocrisy that they sweep under the rug with their freedom calls. When they proclaim that “Skyrim is for the Nords,” they mean *only* the Nords. Nowhere is this more obvious than in Windhelm: The Nords force the Dark Elves to live in slums, and forbid Argonians and Khajiit from even entering their walls. They ran the Reachmen from their ancestral home, and forbid them from worshiping their own gods (sound familiar? Maybe the Thalmor invasion is poetic justice).
The Imperials bent their knees to the whims of the Thalmor, true. But they did it for the good of Skyrim, knowing that if they only bided their time, the day would come when they could rise up and drive the Thalmor out for good. The Stormcloaks can’t see the forest for the trees – all they see is the vision of a pure, Nordic Skyrim, and they don’t seem to realize that by defeating the Imperials, they’ll be weakening Skyrim’s defenses – making it *impossible* to fight off the Thalmor.
Are the Imperials without fault? Hardly. But at least their intentions are noble, and they can see the bigger picture. They may seem like a thorn in the side, but they are necessary for the survival of Skyrim and its people – *all* of its people.
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thomasbenson575y ago
Isn't Ulfric secretly a pawn of the Imperials as well? Swear I remember reading a note about it at the Thalmor HQ
Either way yeah siding with the Stormcloaks feels a little like siding with Brexiteers. It's all well and good until someone shouts "Skyrim for the Nords" and you realise maybe you're with the bad guys
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JenReneeGilley5y ago
I did a little digging, and according to [this thread on r/teslore] (https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/90g6sc/does_ulfric_work_for_the_thalmor/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), the documents you mentioned do seem to imply that Ulfric worked with the Thalmor at one point. However, it's speculated that it was during a time in which he was much younger and easier to manipulate.
Not that he isn't still easy to manipulate. He turned against the Thalmor, but he's still their unwitting pawn, because he's playing right into their hands by splitting Skyrim apart with his inane civil war. In trying to defy them, he's ultimately giving them exactly what they need to completely take control.
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Msia5y ago
The Nords of Skyrim are a free people, with few exceptions. They enjoy a robust system of roads, trade routes with all their near neighbors, if not overly friendly relations.
Apart from a few marauding gangs, they can come and go as they please, as long as they respect their tenable position in the natural world.
The imperials on the other hand, tend to eliminate this freedom. A prime example is the player, imprisoned and set to be executed for dubious crimes. They work with the Thalmor, a long lived race, for the purpose of extracting wealth and taking it to far off lands. The imperials also do not separate church and state, forbidding the worship of local gods. In contrast to their presence in Cyrodill, in which their culture of dominance and socialization worked to quell the invasion from oblivion, their poorly thought out, (attempted) annexation of Skyrim serves to hamper the plot, and provide only the illusion of choice.
In a game where choice is essential to the draw and mechanic of the gameplay, the imperials represent a standardization of being that should not be accepted by the player or the ancestral inhabitants of Skyrim.
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JenReneeGilley5y ago
A very fair point. However, it all boils down to choosing the lesser of two evils. The Imperials might be freedom-suppressing, capitalist invaders, but at least they aren't racist hypocrites like the Stormcloaks who are *doing the exact same thing* under the guise of freedom.
The Stormcloaks are underhanded about their dirty deeds. The Imperials, at least, are upfront about it -- and, like I said, their goal is to *eventually* find a way to get out from under the Thalmors' thumb, which will be good for *everyone.*
If the Stormcloaks get their way, Skyrim will be left pretty much defenseless without the Imperials, who are the only thing standing between Skyrim and the Thalmor at this point. Ulfric and his troops alone *are not enough* to fight off the Thalmor. If Ulfric wins, then it's basically a Thalmor victory, because they will swoop right in and wipe them out. Skyrim needs to *unite* with the Imperials, defeat the Thalmor, then work out a treaty between Skyrim and Cyrodiil.
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