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Julianne5y ago
**TL;DR - How we see the world will almost certainly change depending on the structure of our language. Our concepts are tightly linked with the physical world in such a way that either the physical world changes the structure of our language or the structure of our language influences our conceptualization of the physical world, or perhaps both together in some feedback fashion. Either way, how the world appears to us is tightly linked to the language we use when encountering it.**
- Some languages have words for very specific feelings that other languages don't. One could argue that people who speak a language without specific ways to express such particular feelings are not impoverished by their lack of something to _call_ the feelings, since they feel them all the same without having anything to call them. I would argue that they are indeed impoverished by not having the words to rely on; words are not solely something we pin to an experience after an event, but in fact most often cooccur with our experiences. Often, they will even create the feeling of the situation for us, albeit without us being too aware that is what's happening.
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mlind215y ago
I agree, and I’m glad you brought up the fact that some languages have words for feelings that do not translate to other languages. For example, the German word [Waldeinsamkeit](https://www.ef.edu/blog/language/13-words-with-no-english-translation/) can really only be described in English as “the feeling of solitude and connectedness to nature when being alone in the woods.” The Norwegian word [“Forelsket”](https://www.ef.edu/blog/language/13-words-with-no-english-translation/) describes “the euphoria experienced as you begin to fall in love.” English speakers have to put together multiple words to form a sentence to describe these phenomena, whereas other languages simply have a term for it. I believe that this simple difference in language causes people to experience these phenomena in unique ways.
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epalmer5y ago
**"If a lion could speak, we could not understand him"**
I agree with the previous points made 'for'. However I am in favour of a more Wittgenstinian approach to linguistic relativity which advocated for a more reciprocal relationship between language games, culture and cognition, rather than arguing that language has a one-way affect on our world view.
A quote from Wittgenstein comes to mind: "If a lion could speak, we could not understand him".(Wittgenstein, Philosophical Investigations, 1953) To summarise, his theory describes that if a lion, or any other creature for that matter, could speak our language we would have great difficulty comprehending one another as lions do not have ‘any conceivable share in our world’.(ibid) In other words, there exists less in common between our daily lives that we would communicate so that what he might try to say and what we would understand in return would be nonsense. He may try to communicate ideas, concepts and feelings which do not exist to us and vice versa. In this sense we see inversely how our cognition affects our language since it is without a shared frame of reference that we cannot communicate.
On the other hand, looking at this in reverse, we could still say that this example also shows how our language affects our worldview as we struggle to comprehend concepts for which we do not have words, put nicely by another quote of Wittgenstein's, “The limits of my language mean the limits of my world".(Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, 1922)
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Drew5y ago
It's all about shared experience is it not?
We could understand a lion... The experience and behaviors of lions are studied in depth. His "words" would match our existing knowledge and build upon it. He may have 48 different names for Antelope meat and we, only one... But we'd soon learn. Just as long as his tummy isn't rumbling whilst we are interviewing him!
A jellyfish is a different matter altogether.
Topics explored in the film Arrival. Worth a watch
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Julianne5y ago
I love that you bring Wittgenstein into play. Indeed, I had him in mind when I made my points "for". I was arguing (though, admittedly, not very well!) that in _constructing_ our shared frame, which is indeed the only way we can communicate, _how we see the world_ changes, complicating the "one way effect on our worldview" view itself. So I agree on many levels with your final point about the reverse way of looking at it that enables us to imagine our language effects our worldview.
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megantheninja5y ago
**Language steers our thoughts, and shapes our perceptions.**
[Linguistic relativity hypothesis](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/our-language-affects-what-we-see/) is how speech influences thought. This [translates](https://www.gofluent.com/blog/how-language-affects-the-way-we-think/) in a variety of ways, and as a result, language ascends from just being a method of communication. Our vocabulary, the context we use it in, even our sentence structure, affects us on a much deeper, fundamental level.
Our brains are constantly making a series of predictions based on our perceptions. [Language perception](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201509/how-language-shapes-our-world) is driven by expectations that are built upon our impressions and understanding. There are essentially three key elements that tie into linguistic reality; language, thought, and culture.
It's easy to see the significance that culture has on language perception when comparing dialects. For example, in North Queensland, Australia, the prominent language spoken is [Guugu Yimithirr](https://www.linguisticsociety.org/content/does-language-i-speak-influence-way-i-think). Instead of having directional words like right, and left, they use north, south, east, and west. Here, a native resident would see a boy standing by the front door to his home and think, ‘he’s standing east of his house’ whereas an English-speaking individual would think, ‘he’s in front of his house’.
It’s a complex concept, one that illustrates how dialect impacts comprehension by [framing it, enhancing it, or filtering it] (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-apes/201509/how-language-shapes-our-world). Take, for instance, how we perceive colors. The amount of terms relative to color is much smaller than the variants of color we interpret. Region alters these perceptions. For example, in Russian, there are twelve words that correlate to basic colors, whereas in New Guinea, there are only two.
Many things shape our daily lives, and language is just one of them.
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rabidfox4y ago
A bit silly if you think about it
no this doesn't make sense it sounds nice to say it but just because you don't have a word for something doesn't mean you don't perceive it or the overall perception changes. For example, if you don't have a word for pain so you refer to it as very angry. you still experience pain despite not having a word for it. in the past cultures have not had a word for blue and have referred to it as something like greenish-yellow they still know what blue is. to quote Stephen Pinker "there is scant evidence to show that any specific rules of grammar are prewired in the brain and there is no need to invoke genes in order to account for grammatical structures, because these can be explained more simply and more plausibly as the product of cultural evolution and as a response to the exigencies of efficient communication."
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Nsoper194y ago
It's not just individual words though, there are whole systems of thought that cannot be easily communicated in certain languages. Many forms of poetry simply cannot be translated either.
There is a reason why certain languages have never created advanced civilisations and why some have never produced beautiful art.
I think because of those things the language one uses very much dictates one's cognition and certainly the categories that can be used.
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