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Where one's nation may be more salient to them than their class, in reality, it is a much more fickle concept. Class, should we define it as a combination of one's assets and income and as compared to others' nearby, is highly quantifiable and, in fact, fairly static throughout most individuals' lives. Nations, as ethnic categories, are often presented as discrete and homogenous groups, though many of the foremost scholars on the topic such as Ernest Gellner, Rogers Brubaker, and Eric Hobsbawm provide strong counterarguments to this. Individuals often belong to multiple nations, shifting between them throughout their lives. Furthermore, nations, unlike classes, are highly fluid, continuously being redefined by their ingroups as well as outgroups. To apply this to a more tangible, albeit hypothetical, example, it is clear that two impoverished individuals, one American and one British, regardless of any enmity between the two, would almost certainly have more in common with one another than they would with their respective nations' richest person.
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Acies5y ago
People are more divided by culture. Does culture equal nationality? In America, one might think so, but it's rather blurred. Some first-generation immigrants are the proudest, most patriotic people I know. They consider themselves Americans now, their countries of origin as important and irrelevant as your state of origin.
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**The class/nationality divide ultimately depends on what the country is and their perspective on immigration and class division.** As a whole, it is hard to talk about the classes on a worldwide plane. This is because a working class person in a lower-income country compared to a working class person in a higher-income country may have different experiences, different rates of pay, and different perceptions. When introducing yourself in general conversation, people normally ask where you are from first (particularly if you are a foreign national, leaning towards a nationality division. In the UK, there is an argument to be made that race (nationality) and class both play substantial roles in dividing a population. The white working class is said to be one of the most neglected groups in the country. The Education Committee wrote a report on this [here] (https://committees.parliament.uk/committee/203/education-committee/news/156024/forgotten-white-workingclass-pupils-let-down-by-decades-of-neglect-mps-say/). Furthermore, the ethnic pay gap concentrates on class and ethnicity, which shows that there is division between different races and their respective classes. Although this recent [report (https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/ethnicitypaygapsingreatbritain/2019) from the ONS suggests that the gap between White British people and ethnic minority groups in the UK is narrowing
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katie1265y ago
**In a capitalist society, class continues to be a dividing factor amongst people.** While there are cultural and linguistic barriers to get through, nationality fails to be a division unless there are external religious or political pressures. People tend to connect with those of a similar background, upbringing or social setting as them – regardless of nationality. Also, even though society is still divided by people’s ethnicity, a recent [report](https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/articles/ethnicitypaygapsingreatbritain/2019) highlights how the ethnicity pay gap between white and ethnic minority employees has narrowed to its smallest level since 2012. This implies that class offers a common ground for different nationalities as the disparities between classes continues to be a division in society.
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ILemmen5y ago
An individual's economic class (atleast in America) tends to be fluid and change with age. Most working Americans, who were initially in the bottom 20 percent of income-earners, rise out of that bottom 20 percent. More of them end up in the top 20 percent than remain in the bottom 20 percent. Most great fortunes are squandered within 3 generation. https://fee.org/articles/busting-myths-about-income-inequality/
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