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ywang5y ago
**TL;DR: Breaking up the U.S. represents an assault on the historical strength of the American institutions.** [The polarization of the American public](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-may-have-won-the-election-but-the-deep-partisan-divide-in-america-remains/) has accelerated by geographical, racial, class, and partisan lines. As a result, a minor resurgence of cal for secession has surfaced. [A Texas secession bill](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/02/01/texas-secession-bill-formally-filed-in-state-legislature/) has even been introduced on the floor of the State legislatures. Aside from its losing track record, a movement to dissolve the U.S. union represents an ineffective and destructive solution to our current problems. To start with, dissolving the Union does not solve the ongoing polarization in the U.S., Unlike the civil war era, the geographical divide in the U.S. is not one between the south and the north, but rather one between rural and urban areas. Take the example of [the deep blue state of California](https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/california). Democratic candidate Joe Biden won the state by a margin of 63.5% to 34.3% against incumbent Republican Donald Trump. That number does not mean California does not have pockets of red areas. In the rural and sparsely populated Modoc County, Trump won 71.6% votes. Compare this number to Los Angeles County, where Biden won 71% of votes. The opposite phenomenon exists when one looks at deeply red states. As a result, a dissolve of the American Union by state lines does nothing to fix the divisive state of the nation. Furthermore, the divide of our time may not be as disastrous as one may think. James Madison, one of the founding fathers, actually sees diverged and diverse interests as a strength of the U.S. system. In [Federalist Paper No. 51](https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/text-51-60), Madison made the case that diverse interests ensure the absolute triumph of none. In other words, due to the diverse nature of the Union, no particular group would find it easy to become the majority and rule tyrannically. In other words, the diverse nature of the American Union and the diverged interests serve as guardrails against a populist uprising. While the effectiveness of the guardrails may come under question, they have at least shown some results. Blue states like Massachusetts and New York have managed to block some of the most extreme policies from the Trump Administration, such as [the attempt to abolish the ACA](https://www.kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/explaining-california-v-texas-a-guide-to-the-case-challenging-the-aca/). The American Union represents an enduring and intricate system of checks and balances. The diverse interests of the American public have induced polarization but guarded against some of the more extreme forms of populism. Dissolving it for an untenable goal represents a misguided and dangerous effort. Many have tried. All have failed. It has long passed time to bury the idea to destroy the Union. E Pluribus Unum. For this reason, the United States should not be broken up.
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Turi5y ago
The answer is more democracy (and maybe an end to 2-party politics, which makes of polarisation a feature not a bug) not more segregation. Though I type this from the UK, where 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 and Northern Ireland may v well sail off into the sunset (or join Scandinavia, in the case of Scotland).
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**While America has always been a melting pot of differing ideals, over the last few decades, that blend of beliefs has become a war of extreme views.** There have always been [topics](https://www.voanews.com/usa/all-about-america/heres-why-americans-have-always-been-divided) like political party, industrialization, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, etc. in which finding common ground has been a struggle. However, within the last 30 years, these disagreements in ideas have begun to create a deep divergence among the American people. [Diversity](https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/2020/11/23/america-racial-inequality-diversity-does-not-equal-equality) is what makes this country legendary, yet violent extremists have reintroduced brutal and oppressive radicalism. The unspoken, understanding among Americans that everything's open for debate has mutated into a means of justifying violence, and it is this volatile behavior that will tear this nation apart. Some of the factors that are heightening America’s growing polarization include: → [Capitalism](https://time.com/5929978/the-u-s-capitol-riot-was-years-in-the-making-heres-why-america-is-so-divided/) _Inequality for opportunities and outcomes has become a common battle among the economic classes._ → [Ideology](https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/08/a-polarized-america-how-the-partisan-divide-grew-over-decades-and-why-liberals-and-conservatives-just-cant-get-along.html) _Political affiliation has steadily become immersed with ideology, enabling each party to form a radically opposed faction._ As violent responses become the new normal between opposing sides, It's become apparent that Americans have plateaued, remaining stagnant and set in its ways. Without the want to mend where we’ve begun to break, there’s no other option but division.
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mayowa_o5y ago
**Although it is evident that the US has been experiencing increasing polarization, there are still structures and values in place which are enough to suggest that the US is a functional-enough country.** No country can exist without its fair share of problems, and the US is certainly no different. Regardless, there are two key reasons why the US model enables the country to remain as one: • _The federal system_: [The federal system](https://www.lawteacher.net/free-law-essays/constitutional-law/the-federal-system-of-government-constitutional-law-essay.php) respects the cultural differences between the states. It allows each local administration to cater to the unique needs of their people without feeling dominated by a distant central government. • _”American” values_: Despite the divergence in culture across the 50 states, there is still a [unifying sense of what being “American” means](https://www.livescience.com/28945-american-culture.html). This ranges from popular culture, i.e. hot dogs, baseball and Hollywood, to political values such as freedom and democracy. This greatly contrasts former countries that split in the past such as [Yugoslavia](https://srebrenica.org.uk/what-happened/history/breakup-yugoslavia) and [Sudan](https://www.vox.com/world/2016/12/8/13817072/south-sudan-crisis-explained-ethnic-cleansing-genocide) which, for various reasons, did not have a unified sense of national identity to commit to remaining as one. Thus, the fact that the “American” culture is generally adopted across all the states is evidence that the citizens continue to respect the legitimacy of the state. So sure, the US is slightly dysfunctional, but not dysfunctional enough to require a break-up.
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Nsoper194y ago
I think it's quite likely that the USA will split up. Half the country thinks the other half want to cage immigrants and kill black people, the other half thinks the first half want to murder unborn defenceless children. So far every time these camps have come into conflict it has gotten more heated, divisive and hostile. As of yet there does not seem to be any mechanism which can halt this amping up in fervour, it appears to be a ratchet effect. So unless something very drastic happens soon I can see it breaking up. Whether it should or not is very tricky so say lol.
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rabidfox4y ago
**Less centralisation the better** I think every country could benefit from breaking up into independent nations it encourages better community, trade is more independent and encouraged, the politics is less centralised and the politicians have a better idea of what is going on in the local communities.
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Nsoper194y ago
Those things are all true, but would you want China/Russia to be the biggest power in the world?
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