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Hatty5y ago
**TL;DR - the X-Men are better than the Avengers as they tackle more serious underlying issues such as discrimination and the complexity of differing characters rather than characters being just good or just bad.**
Firstly, the X-Men are mutants. Mutants are typically born looking and behaving just like normal humans, and it isn't until puberty that their powers develop. The series often deals with teenagers coming to terms with the fact that not only are they different, but also they now have to deal with [discrimination on a daily basis](https://www.ranker.com/list/xmen-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/jacob-shelton). Regular humans are afraid of mutants, which leads to fear and hatred. Most mutants are good people, and they can't help that they were born different, so society should just learn to accept them for who they are. This is a message that is constant throughout the film and is one of the main storylines throughout the films.
The main message of the Avengers movies however seems to be that good overcomes evil. This completely misses the complexity of what is good and what is evil and does not dig any deeper into any other political points or societal issues. Whilst I realise this may not have been the purpose of the films, for me it takes away an interesting and real commentary on society that could have existed.
In terms of the complexities of characters, The Avengers, as previously stated, generally has [good and evil characters](https://www.cbr.com/reasons-why-x-men-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/). This for me is quite one tone. Iron Monger from "Iron Man" (2008) is evil because he's greedy. So is Justin Hammer from "Iron Man 2" (2010) and Darren Cross/Yellowjacket from "Ant-Man" (2015). Red Skull is just a power-mad Nazi in "Captain America: The First Avenger" (2011), and Ronan from "Guardians of the Galaxy" (2014) is a Kree radical that hates the Nova Corps because they're not Kree. Even Loki, from "Thor" (2011), is mostly motivated by jealousy of Thor. These villains are all great characters, but their motivations just aren't interesting.
The opening scene in "X-Men" (2000) shows Erik Lensherr as a child being led into a Nazi concentration camp when his magnetic powers begin to develop. This is further explored in "X-Men: First Class" when it's shown that Sebastian Shaw was posing as a Nazi scientist in the camp, and tortured Erik until he learned to use his powers correctly. [This experience caused Erik to lose faith in humanity] (https://www.cbr.com/reasons-why-x-men-movies-are-better-than-the-mcu/), fuelling his turn to villainy. As Magneto, his pain causes him to see himself as the saviour of the downtrodden mutants, which justifies having to do bad things, up to and including murder. This really begins to explore the idea that what can be seen as evil is based on perception and is complex, as humans are complex. It is not as simple as being good or bad.
Additionally, during the final act of "Days of Future Past" (2014), a dying Magneto looks up at Professor X and his final words are "all those wasted years fighting… to have a precious few of them back." It's such a poignant moment, that's made even more so by the fact that during the same scene, the Magneto and Professor X of the '70s are on opposite sides of a bloody fight. The relationship between both men is one of the driving forces behind the entire "X-Men" series. They both clearly love each other, and they could be brothers, but circumstances have forced them onto opposite sides of the battlefield. This exploration into human emotions, experiences and circumstances does not exist to the same extent as in the Avengers films.
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Brandoflores5y ago
**X-Men was a good franchise or even underrated in some instances. However, they have numerous development flaws, and their plot is inconsistent. Although they can successfully create a grey area antagonist like Magneto, most of their villains are still very one-dimensional.**
The X-Men franchise is pretty good. After all, they helped revive the superhero genre in the early 2000s. One could argue they're the reason for the evolution and success of big blockbuster superhero movies. Several of their movies like X2 and Logan are extremely underrated, considering they were an overwhelming critical success. Most movies aren't bad either, except a handful of movies like X-Men: Apocalypse, The Last Stand, and Dark Phoenix.
However, X-Men had a lot of flaws, some we can look back in hindsight understanding that the superhero genre was under development, others are just bad decisions made by 20th Century Fox:
**1. The narrative of the story focuses only on Logan, Professor Xavier, and Magneto.**
Although the themes and storylines are well written, they usually revolve around these three people's perspectives without diversifying into different characters. This delegitimizes the importance of Cyclopes and Storm, who are as important to the story. Though they are important characters in the comics, the movie franchise rarely attempts to diversify they're focus into other characters. When they do, there is always so little effort on character development (Ex. Jean Gray). They could've focused on Storm's upbringing in Africa or Cyclops's orphan to leadership background.
**2. They have too many inconsistencies.**
It's difficult to make sense of the X-Men universe since it's hard to keep track of all the plot holes. We see two versions of Emma Frost, who are not the same age or person since one is captured in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and the other is killed after X-Men: First Class. It is a similar issue with 1980s Angel, a villain in Apocalypse, and 2000s teenage good guy Angel in The Last Stand. Logan also seems to have a selective memory because he sure remembered WWII pretty well in The Wolverine, but this also makes zero sense considering they built entire movies around the idea that Wolverine doesn't remember anything before joining the X-Men.
**3. The timelines and the characters are a mess**
Although First Class was successful, the rebooted characters' personalities and motivations are different from the original movies and the comics. Mystique is basically a different person in every movie (no pun intended), going from under-the-shadows villain, to wallflower living under Xavier's thumb, to powerful woman proud of her identity, to leadership role fighting for good, to hiding her identity again for no reason, and so on. Cyclopes, William Stryker, and Storm are also part of this messy change of motivations.
While the Avengers has its fair share of one-dimensional villains, not all X-Men villains are 'Killmonger' complex. Apocalypse is pretty straightforwardly one-dimensional, while Vuk in Dark Phoenix is at best two-dimensional since she wants revenge, so they're comparable with Ultron in the MCU.
Then we have villains motivated by the greater good, but they're methods would make them borderline sociopaths. Boliver Trask's motivation In Days of Future Past was security and humanity's survival, but the creation of the sentinels was unprovoked; he just rationalized his opposition to mutants and was probably triggered by every scientist ridiculing his research. William Stryker in X2 sounds complex but really is just a traumatized man by the power of his own son; therefore, he needs to kill every mutant in one go.
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bellajames5y ago
Well they've got Chris x3 along with Tom Holland and Scarlett Johasson so in terms of hotness they win
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