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meganrose5y ago
TL;DR - There is not a definitive divide between millennials and gen-z.
There is a definitive era or historical period that defined other generational groups (for example, Baby Boomers being born after WW2 or The Silent Generation living through the War). However, the historical changes that define more recent generations rely on technological advances, which makes defining a generation more ambiguous.
But many sociologists and statistics offices fail to specify where the era of millennials end and gen-z starts:
"There are a few conflicting ideas about where this generation starts. Pew Statistics says 1997, Statistics Canada says 1993, and the Resolution foundation says 2000."
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zf8j92p
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Julianne5y ago
**TL;DR - Those born between 1996-2001 are a micro-generation that can relate to both millennials and gen-z while at the same time not fitting either group completely.**
- Zillennials feel too old to relate to the core of gen-z. But they also feel too young to relate to the core of millennials.
- Zillennials can remember, briefly, a much less technological world. But they also grew up for the most part in the thick of great technological evolution. So they're versed in both worlds.
- Zillennials have, for the most part, hazy memories of 9/11. The litmus test for gen-z versus millennials has come to be whether one is able to remember 9/11. Most Zillennials have a few brief memories of the event, and likely didn't fully understand its implications. Which tracks with the sense of their being a crossover microgeneration with feet in both worlds.
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erinosgood5y ago
**Creating micro generations only causes differences to be put under a microscope**
There are many issues confronting the youngest of Millenials and the oldest of Generation Z. [The housing crisis seems to constantly find new peaks](https://www.theguardian.com/business/ng-interactive/2021/mar/31/uk-housing-crisis-how-did-owning-a-home-become-unaffordable#:~:text=The%20UK%20has%20a%20housing,priced%20out%20of%20the%20market.&text=High%20private%20sector%20rents%20make,pay%20their%20monthly%20housing%20bills.), [students are financially worse off than ever](https://www.ft.com/content/c173fc57-0abc-4dbb-aa01-17672798af32) and the COVID-19 pandemic has worsened an already [worrying mental health epidemic in young people](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57854193). The problem, therefore, is not what label young people are given. It is how they are vilified.
There are several reasons why 'millennials' as a concept is unnecessary:
• Creating microgenerations is a new way for companies to try and get money out of young people - [marketing to a new group](http://www.themarketingsage.com/whats-a-zillenial-and-how-do-i-market-to-them/) is a key outcome of these divides
• Dividing people into microgenerations causes the differences between people to seem greater than their similarities, like those listed above - they affect _all_ young people
• Millenials and Generation Z have lots of cultural similarities, having grown up and come of age with a backdrop of global catastrophes, ranging from 9/11 to the financial crash to COVID-19. This means they often [look at the world in similar ways](https://www.newsweek.com/patriotism-gap-millennials-gen-z-baby-boomers-gen-x-1611749)
Ultimately, however, there is one key factor that defines this argument - it just doesn't matter. Young people (or rather the youngest of young people) will always be embarrassed by the cringeworthiness of their elders, and the same can be said vice versa. It doesn't mean there aren't meaningful similarities between the two, or that the label they are given by birth year makes a significant difference on their lives. So-called 'Zillenials' may not fit the definitions of either Millenials or Generation Z - but does anyone, really?
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Julianne5y ago
Totally agree. I've never thought the idea of breaking people up into generations was that great of a thing to do, nor is it necessary in much of any way at all. My only thing is just that, considering it _does_ happen, and now is out there in the world as a thing that people talk about, having a microgeneration for people who feel like they don't fit into either could potentially be nice. It's already clear that there's no label that can fit everyone, for sure. But when the divide comes up, and people are talking about certain general characteristics of a group (but also not saying that these fit everyone, because of course nothing can)...there can be a group that feels a bit stuck in the middle in what can sometimes (though, again, not always) be a meaningful way. Because if it means something to them, maybe we could say it matters at least a little bit, even if it's only in contexts where a _mostly_ unimportant divide arises? Not totally sure, just a thought.
So, overall, I completely agree that it isn't good to focus on people's differences. We are all more alike than not, on a deep, deep fundamental level. But maybe a problem is that on the surface level, in society, differences are talked about at one level as something somewhat meaningful. So in a purely social way, it might be nice to be able to have a method for delineating between Millennials and Gen Z when people are trying to conversationally fit people into one of them. I think it can leave people feeling a strange sense of lost identity when they're grouped into something (even superficially) that doesn't recognize their differences, even if it's just on a person-to-person level. That's really my only reason for trying to distinguish between the two generations. Otherwise, I'm in complete agreement with you, and absolutely love your argument! It's super important and well-argued as well. I can definitely see how putting emphasis on the process of creating microgenerations serves simply to increase what we're trying to avoid (separation when unity is oftentimes much more important and real.) If my narrower-view argument here doesn't really end up being that meaningful, then you've definitely changed my mind.
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erinosgood5y ago
Thank you for your comment! I agree too, I think that generational classifications can be great for a sense of identity, I just don't think it's something that we should place too much importance on for data and other purposes. But it's very true that microgenerations can be beneficial socially!
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Nsoper194y ago
Are not all these age distinctions becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy? They don't seem to be simple observations anymore but norms dictated through soft power that even go down to the micro-level about what sort of new-world fruit one has on toast for breakfast?
It simply seems that human beings cannot help but divide themselves into tribal groups and since race/religion aren't allowed anymore the generational divides are being cemented.
Perhaps we shouldn't label differences so much and focus on what unites us more?
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