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Sg915y ago
How does one define facism? As far as I can tell, facism is a system of governance where a single political party holds absolute power. Whilst all past facist parties that came to power have been left wing, I see no reason why right wing parties couldn't adopt this form of governance.
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MrStrawHat5y ago
Because the right wing places greater value in the freedom of the people. Do you think it's coincidence all fascist powers have been left-wing?
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mamushi72sai5y ago
You do realize Hitler himself was a fascist, right? Fascism is by definition a far right ideology that promotes ethnic scapegoating and the idea of ethnic purity. Valuing purity itself has been linked to the conservatives. The left is generally about promoting equality which includes reduction of race based inequality. The idea that fascism is somehow a left ideology does not make sense.
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MrStrawHat5y ago
Firstly, you do realise fascism isn't exclusive to the Nazis? We have the former Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela, and China, amongst I'm sure others. All these countries take on Marxist, socialist, communist, or otherwise ultimately left-wing policies which have turned to authoritarian dictatorships. I'm sure you can argue a dictatorship is different to fascism, but to me they represent the same goal.
Fascism is by definition a political philosophy which promotes the nation above the individual, a centralised autocratic government, severe economic regulation and suppression of dissent through force. This can fit both Nazism and the previously mentioned left-wing political ideologies.
As for your definition of promoting ethnic scapegoating, ideas of white privilege or critical race theory (CRT) are promoted by left-wing ideologues and not the conservatives. CRT claims to be the study of systematic racism despite there being very little evidence that systematic racism exists, and in practice this turns into anti-white rhetoric.
Even if you take the idea that racism is exclusively right-wing you'd still have to contend with the fact that right-wingers inherently value individual freedom, so the individual can be racist but the state must remain neutral. I have never seen equality of outcome being called a right-wing idea, and as equality of outcome would have to be forced on the population it would take away individual rights. Under a Nazi state individual rights don't exist; the state will kill you for being Jewish. Again, we have seen this in the execution of millions within the Soviet Union alone.
Ultimately racism does not belong to either side of the political spectrum, as racists will emerge from all walks of life regardless.
If we look at the Nazi 25-point plan we can find various left-wing movements, the state providing for the people (#7), the abolition of unearned income (#11), the nationalisation of businesses (#13), the division of profits (#14), centralised education (#20), the duty of the people to the state (#25). Most of the commonly cited right-wing ideas involve German-only citizens and to prevent the immigration of non-citizens (#4,5) whereas the actual right-wing ideas are to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the country in favour of legal immigrants becoming citizens.
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Nsoper194y ago
Unfortunately you are conflating a modern slur with the technical definition of fascism. Go and read Mussolini's Doctrines of Fascism. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with ethnicity, rather the nation state. Of course it can be used as a vehicle for racial purity but that doesn't mean that is what it is. At its heart fascism is about total control going to a state which seeks the interest of the state and nation above all else. The big state part is pretty 'left-wing' and the nationalism could be considered more 'right-wing'.
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rabidfox4y ago
I agree Mussolini created fascism and coined the term totalitarianism. Italy was very racially mixed so Nazi-style fascism would only destroy the entire country
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rabidfox4y ago
freedom of people isnt right wing id say that libertarian so on a political compass that would be south whereas fascism would be north
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Jonathanese5y ago
I'm not entirely sure where "all past fascist parties have been left-wing" comes from.
"Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,"
The most famous examples in Germany and Italy were obsessively patriotic, nationalistic, ethnocentric, were about removing or eliminating outsiders to conserve national and ethnic identity.
While the Nazi party was originally a right/left mix of ethno-nationalism combined with socialism and workers' rights, the ultra-right-wing Sturmabteilung branch of the party took over. Unionists and workers' rights advocates were eliminated from the party. Many leftists fled for groups like or similar to the Iron Front and its militant branch, Antifa.
I would argue that authoritarian-communism is Fascism's left-wing counterpart. In both cases, the foundational principles of left-wing or right-wing are often compromised for the sake of radicalism and authoritarianism. Their less authoritarian counterparts would be right-libertarianism and democratic socialism.
"Freedom" isn't a concept owned by the American right or left. Both have views as to what freedom looks like, and believe the other side represent a threat to those freedoms.
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rabidfox4y ago
Unionists weren't eliminated the unions were nationalised the nazis got rid of anyone that questioned them or were a threat to their power
I agree with you on the freedom aspect while the media portrays right-wing as being ultra-freedom it isnt a left or right-wing trait there is economic freedom and social freedom nazis had neither which is why its quite hard to box them into left or right.
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rabidfox4y ago
**I think they are more center authoritarian but lean left-wing slightly**
_"we are socialists" Adolf Hitler_
Right-wing is often confused with being authoritarian and that's where the confusion comes from. This stems from the sheer number of authoritarian right-wing leaders such as extreme religious figures and certain terrorist organisations leaning right wing. Below is my reasoning:
* While the term privitisation was coined by the nazis, they did not really privitise anything The business was put into the hands of friends of the party and the market was heavily controlled by 13 administrative groups. The forming of cartels was encouraged to form cartels and destabilise prices. Businesses were told what to make and how much so it was only private in name and essentially still under complete state control.
* Hitlers refusal to industrialise Russia demonstrates a rejection of capital export which is a crucial stage in monopolistic capitalism.
* National Socialism like communism is an attack on the individual, its a form of ultra-statism where the state and country is held above the individual. Individualism is a fundamental of all right-wing ideology. Where marxists reject individual for a class-collective, nazis reject indivduality for a race-collective.
You can see this in how they treated Jewish people, they believe the world is ran by the "Jewish banking cartel". Even if this was true why would you blame all jewish people for the crimes of a few.
* Hitler believed he was doing good he once said _"Jewish capitalism has caused the crisis of capitalism"._ He associated the jews with the free market and blamed it for Germany's economy after all Germany is so great its economy wouldn't just collapse.
* point 14 from the national socialist 25 points states _" we demand profits from wholesale trade be shared out"._
* The Reichstag Fire Decree essentially got rid of private property "_Restrictions on private property is also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise proscribed"_ Following this they also removed Article 153 from the Weimar constitution. This allowed the property of Jews to be seized by the state.
* The nazis believed that property is "conditional" if they deemed it not being used properly or to its fullest, it could be nationalised. The best way to demonstrate this in action is with the junkers airplane factory. Junkers refused to follow the nazis bidding so his factory was seized by the state.
* They centralised most of the economy into 6 corporations
* Trade unions were nationalised into the German Labour Front
* Hitler coined the term Primacy of politics, he believed that politics and ideology should be at forefront of the country and economics should come second
* As hinted at earlier there were price, rent, and wage controls and the government intervened on many private transactions, for example, a peasant was arrested for selling his pig for more than the official price. Agents would approach businesses and offer them more than the national price in order to catch them out showing that the nazis were against profits. Commissars would also keep an eye on businesses books.
* After conquoring living space Hitler planned to make a new type of farm called Ebhof farms. These were family-based and racial pure farms which were essentially nationalised as all these farms would have a collective debt to manage and were protected from repercussions E.G it could not be sold or repossessed.
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