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There are countless examples in the bible that suggest that God is not Love that are characterised by violence, crimes and atrocities.
Richard Dawkins opens Chapter 2 of his New York Times bestseller The God Delusion by saying that the God of the Old Testament is "arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction". And, after looking at these quotes below, I would have to agree that God is not, in fact, “Love” at all.
Here are a list of things that God either does, condones or encourages that are reprehensible of modern moral judgement:
Cannibalism:
Rape/sexual assault:
Murder of children:
Feticide/Infanticide:
Slavery:
Ableism:
Invasion:
Racism:
Homophobia:
And examples of when God himself commits atrocities:
Obviously, a vast majority of Christians do not believe in the bible word for word and believe it should be used for interpretation. However with all of these things in the bible, I find myself unable to agree with the statement that “God is Love”.
Your exegesis of some of those passages is off by a country mile, but here is one that is much easier:
"Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins."
1 John 4:7-10
"God is love" clear as day.
We have made the point elsewhere: never play the person, nor insult them or belittle them. Who are you to presume to judge?
Just make your point.
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Please explain what I said that was wrong? I'm autistic so sometimes can have a hard time relating to people. I find your tone rather patronising and condescending to say the least.
"Your exegesis of some of those passages is off by a country mile" is dismissive. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
Dismissive could be argued but it wasn't an insult or belittling in the slightest.
Assuming that the "God" at question is the monotheistic God depicted in Abrahamic religions, God certainly is not love.
If in the sixth chapter of the first book of the Torah or of the Old Testament Bible, God already finds it necessary to commit mass genocide by creating a huge flood to wipe out nearly all of humanity, we may hesitate to claim that the God, in the Judeo-Christian tradition, may symbolize love of any form. Not to mention smaller ordinances like Abraham being commanded to kill his son, large ethnic cleansing by the Hebrews towards the Canaanites may further cast doubt on whether God is love.
"But that is merely the Old Testament Bible", some will cry, most likely from Christians. "That is before Christ came down to Earth to save us!" Does that mean that God himself has transformed from hate to love? That does not seem to be the case when homophobia is explicitly ordained in Paul's epistles or when the destruction of everything — all the happiness that mankind loves — is welcomed with a cheerful tone in the Book of Revelation.
Now that we have discussed Judaism and Christianity, we can now discuss Islam. "All-merciful" is one of the ninety-nine most exalted names for Allah, yet this mercy does not seem to extend to polytheists who are deemed to commit an unforgivable sin. I need not mention other Quranic verses that explicitly ordain violence against kafirs (infidels).
One way or another, Abrahamic monotheistic religions are the most exclusive and intolerant: to say that God is love would be hardly agreeable.
TL;DR -- God must maintain a balance to ensure that we all have a chance to live our lives to the fullest. Like a parent, God is Love because He rewards and punishes when we deserve it. And sometimes, bad things just have to happen to maintain balance. But God makes sure to make it up to us with all the wonderful things in life, as well.
Despite the evidence to the contrary, I have always believed that God maintains a balance between good and evil for our benefit. After all, light cannot exist without dark, joy without sorrow, life without death, etc.
It sucks, but it's the best that God can do. Paradise exists, but it's something we have to earn -- just as any parent teaches their child the value of hard work / good morals / kindness by rewarding them when all is said and done.
And like any good parent, God sometimes has to be harsh. Sometimes humans commit such atrocities (often in God's name, thus pissing Him off) that God has to collectively punish us. But when people come together to make the world a better place, society prospers.
So yes, God allows terrible things to happen, but it's not because He's mad with power; it's to maintain the delicate balance of life. He also makes wonderful things happen to make up for it. Because God is Love, life can continue, and we can experience all that life has to offer, both good and bad.
"Listen Morty, I hate to break it to you, but what people call "love" is just a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed. It hits hard, Morty, then it slowly fades, leaving you stranded in a failing marriage. I did it. Your parents are gonna do it. Break the cycle, Morty. Rise above. Focus on science."
-Rick
God as a pantheistic deity is the totality of existence. Such a being is founded upon attraction, stars orbit galaxies, planets orbit stars. Thus attraction (love) forms the basis of the construction of matter, planetary systems and biological life itself. Repulsion, the inverse of attraction causes systems to break apart, however it is not the basis of creation. Thus god must be attraction (love).
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