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sjones15y ago
Understandably in our market-driven and consumerist society, land will be privatized and sold by agencies-- whether individuals or the government. However, you cannot commodify the land without extorting and altering the native ecosystem. Land should be set aside from human interaction (such as National Parks... although these are not great examples at all, as they too are commodified), and some land should be used for shelter/food distribution/other necessities. If the natural environment weren't destroyed and exploited to the extent where it cannot be recovered (i.e. mono-crop fields from farming deteriorating soil fertility), then I would say it was safe to commodify. The problem is that commodification equates to destruction of some sort.
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Julianne5y ago
There's an interesting line of thought that wonders if the U.S. National Parks should be returned to Native Americans.
- David Treuer, a writer who is also Native, [wrote](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/05/return-the-national-parks-to-the-tribes/618395/) about this idea recently.
- Treuer also lays out some of his vision in an [interview](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/should-native-americans-control-national-parks-examining-an-argument-for-reparations):
"As parks were being created, over 87 million acres of parkland were being set aside for Americans, Native Americans were being deprived of and we lost control of over 90 million acres.
So, I think it's high time that the United States did the right thing and returned land to Native tribes. And we would manage it on behalf of all Americans. This wouldn't be a place that sort of non-Native people would be excluded from. These parks would be open to everyone as before, but they would be managed, controlled and protected by us.
And I think it's safe to say that we are much better, we are much better at encouraging and making room for our neighbors than the federal government and the majority of Americans have been, at least vis-a-vis Native people, for the past few hundred years.
So, if this were to happen, if the parks were run by a consortium of all of the tribes of the United States and managed on behalf of all Americans, this would be good for Native people, of course, but it would also be good for American people and good for parks."
- He continues on to respond to questions of logistics, which can also be read about [here](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/should-native-americans-control-national-parks-examining-an-argument-for-reparations).
- It's quite possible that doing something like this would lead to a fundamental change in how we view the commodification of lands, although perhaps a bit farther down the line (e.g., an unanticipated consequence of engaging in this way of thinking.)
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stealthbeast5y ago
If we were talking about a Minecraft server, I might agree with you. But this is Earth. And Earth is a finite amount of space that can be designated to a person at any given time.
If land was NOT scarce? Sure, I'd agree.
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eleanorburleigh5y ago
I don't necessarily think land 'should' be a commodity to be bought and sold, but I also think that it becoming one is an inevitability. Overpopulation is a growing issue, but as it currently stands the earth's landmass outweighs its human population. As long as there is more land than people who can own it, its status as a commodity for exchange seems natural.
However, I would say that I only fundamentally disagree with land ownership as it applies to land lordship. It's understandable that people want to buy and own land because of the security that provides. However, the problem arises when the wealthy elite owns the majority of land and use this ownership to profit off the needs of others.
In a study carried out by [The Guardian] (https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/apr/17/who-owns-england-thousand-secret-landowners-author) in 2019, they found that "half of the UK is owned by less than 1% of its population" and that "if land were distributed evenly across England's population, each person would have just over half an acre." This control and renting out of land resources to the majority feels exploitative.
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jamalrahman5y ago
Curious to see the international divides on this one. I imagine countries where land is abundant so the scarcity of land hasn't dawned on most of the population (USA) will have far more 'Against' voters than a country like the UK where land is incredibly scarce.
In such countries with serious land issues, the majority of the population face the prospect of never being able to dream of owning land, despite being otherwise wealthy people. Even a top 5% earner ($100k+ earner straight out of University) faces the prospect of only owning property in their 30s and that property being a tiny apartment. Contrast that experience with the lives of Baby Boomers and folks from large countries and I'd bet on a shift against seeing land as a commodity.
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