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sarahbakayoko5y ago
**Society doesn't celebrate victimhood, we acknowledge that some people have had things unfairly inflicted upon them and strive to raise awareness and do better**
- Previous generations had the "stiff upper lip" and "suck it up" mentality which left a lot of issues unresolved and unacknowledged. This goes for issues like racism, sexual abuse and domestic violence
- Today, we recognise that silence is violence and it's always important to speak up, so that these issues are dealt with promptly and don't repeat themselves, ending a vicious cycle.
- The word victim has negative connotations and often do not reflect the behaviour of those affected, a more appropriate word would be survivor or activist.
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parlezfrans5y ago
Very good points, the term victim is thrown around loosely these days. A true victim is a victim of crime, abuse or neglect and probably vulnerabel. I do not understand how victim mentality became a term to disavow a political point.
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mlind215y ago
**Victimhood is not celebrated, but rather the attitudes surrounding speaking up about wrongdoings are slowly changing.**
* Like @sarahbakayoko said, we are moving away from the “don’t ask, don’t tell” mentality of the generations before. The age of social media has also made it easier for people to share their stories about times they were wronged or harmed in their lives. When people see others speaking out on issues such as sexual assault, racism, discrimination, or even legal disputes on public platforms, they start to feel more comfortable doing it themselves. When more people begin sharing their stories, it may appear as if victimhood is being celebrated, but in reality, vulnerability and accountability are becoming more normalized.
* Support for victims can also be spread online, and groups of people with similar experiences may drift toward one another in order to feel represented and safe. Again, this may give an image of “celebration” to a more cynical viewer, but it’s actually a coping mechanism and should be respected instead of looked down upon.
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IXH8265y ago
**we judge victims for seeing themselves as such, but then glorify pain and trauma.**
- people are celebrating the beauty of the identities they are victimised for, not victimhood itself. if anything they are refusing to be labelled victims. after being made to hate existing as minorities for countless years, people are embracing these parts of themselves in their entirety and that involves learning about the ways in which they have been oppressed and victimised and rallying for systemic change. this is in fact quite the opposite of celebrating being a victim and allowing it to continue.
- [the victim label suggests that people whose personal or family or ethnic or socio-economic backgrounds are marked by continual and frequently violent subjugation should just "get over it."](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/406057/) the idea that people love to be victims is insensitive and used often to dismiss real suffering. it is easier to claim someone is purposefully holding themselves back and enjoying complaining than to accept that they have less advantages. no one celebrates being a victim, they make the best of a bad situation instead by loving themselves when the world refuses to.
- however, trauma is starting to become glamorised and sensationalised. people do not treat it as it needs to be treated. people are made to think [having an illness or some form of trauma can make them special.](https://dailynorthwestern.com/2018/04/10/opinion/phillips-stop-romanticizing-trauma-and-mental-illness/) they are told trauma makes people stronger and sometimes funnier. it is often portrayed in the media as beautiful and a way to gain attention and sympathy. the reality is that it is extremely damaging to perpetuate these myths. it makes trauma seem desirable which is easy to think until it happens to you.
- overall, no one celebrates living in a world that holds them back just for being who they are. acknowledging you are a victim and trying to change that, while learning to accept what others don't about you, is quite the opposite of dwelling on your victimhood. despite this, we do have a problem with pain olympics in which we make people feel they must suffer for their negative feelings to matter, while simultaneously shaming them for not suffering enough.
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freyaehope5y ago
**Is acknowledging victimhood celebratory?**
• In their book [_The Rise of Victimhood Culture: Microaggressions, Safe Spaces, and the New Culture Wars_](https://www.palgrave.com/gp/book/9783319703282), [Bradley Campbell and Jason Manning](http://victimhoodculture.com/) argue that in today’s society, asserting victimhood can grant high moral status. They place their discussion in the context of race, but victimhood is also debated in concerns of gender identity, sexuality, and class.
• In recent years, it has become common for people to speak out about their [experiences of abuse and discrimination](https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/121812/LeonardT.pdf?sequence=1) over social media, such as in the [#MeToo movement](https://metoomvmt.org/). Many do so in order to expose wrongdoing, to educate others, and more personally, to regain a sense of empowerment and justice. Many believe that these acts contribute to making society more compassionate and open.
• Others claim that this move towards openly claiming victimhood is a celebration of victimhood. They criticise this cultural shift, claiming that [victim mentality](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/unraveling-the-mindset-of-victimhood/) can be psychologically damaging for individuals and society as a whole.
• Some dislike the narrative around victimhood because they believe that it is divisive. If victimhood is celebrated, then privilege by proxy is shamed. Many disagree with contemporary [debates about acknowledging societal privilege](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/26/term-white-privilege-careless-divisive/) as they find this concept polarising and harmful.
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MrStrawHat5y ago
To me this is blindingly obvious. From what I've seen there seems to be a hierarchy of 'victims' of modern society with very little real evidence to support these ideas. For example, women are less privileged than men which people agree with because there is a pay gap between the sexes. People will try to convince you this is evidence for inequality but fail to account for the choices men and women make, which is the actual reason behind this gap; i.e. most women would rather raise children than have a career. However when women push back against the trans community there's outrage because trans people are higher up in the victimhood scale. E.g. if you're against trans women competing with biological women you're transphobic or a terf, regardless of any scientifically backed criticisms you may have.
It's for this reason we see groups like BLM amass such wealth, where the objective is to raise awareness of the disproportionare amount of black people being shot by police. Black people are victims, police are perpetrators. Again, there is little evidence to suggest black people are disproportionately killed in *unjustified* shootings with police, but there is evidence that the greatest threat to black people is other black people as they constitute the majority of black murderers. But because black people are portrayed as victims, tearing down statues and other social justice-inspired vandalism hold no consequences. For every George Floyd there's a Daniel Shaver, and BLM are profiting off it.
If you still don't believe me just look at the Jussie Smollett incident and question why he did what he did.
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dufrianord3y ago
This is the sad reality of the Western world today after Cultural-Marxism got its grip around out neck and in the open for each and everyone to see.
Are you homosexual or from a majority, or maybe even both qns the scores for Victimhood is even higher and despite its a thing of the past as it's best. It goes in one way and white people can't take part as the victims, it's exclusive for “People of Color” and a poisonous part of Western culture that we need to get rid of as quick as possible.
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