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https://www.parlia.com/o/men-suffer-from-sexism-just-as-much-as-women

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Don't EVER forget that men absolutely suffer from unique sexism problems. But are the problems of sexism regarding men as severe as with women? Of course not. Women just got the right to vote like 4 minutes ago, don't be ridiculous.
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Sg915y ago
Absolutely disagree. Men face far more and far worse discrimination than women. At least in my country of England that is.
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JoiFoote15y ago
**Men are in a privileged position in society compared to women. Not only am I against the statement that men suffer from sexism just as much as women, but I believe they cannot suffer from sexism at all. This is because it requires prejudice and power.** The definition of sexism (like racism) not only requires a notion of prejudice and stereotyping based on one’s sex, but it also includes power. Oppression from the dominant group, which in this case is men. If we apply a similar way of thinking to racism; where one can be prejudiced towards a white person because of the colour of the skin. You cannot be racist towards them because of the second requirement of power. Whilst we can say that men are stereotyped and prejudiced against on the basis of their gender. It is different from saying we can be sexist towards men as only those who exist within the dominant sex (males) can be sexist. This is not only limited to racism and sexism but with ableism and classism just to name a few. [The following handout briefly elaborates on some key definitions surrounding this.]( https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6OKqRRcdR5kJ:https://www.vanderbilt.edu/oacs/wp-content/uploads/sites/140/Understanding-Privilege-and-Oppression-Handout.doc+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=safari) Sexism is also often at the advantage of men. They are in a privileged position because of the fact we still live in a patriarchal society. As articulated by Craig Lockard [‘Today, as in the past, men generally hold political, economic, and religious power in most societies thanks to patriarchy, a system whereby men largely control women and children, shape ideas about appropriate gender behaviour, and generally dominate society.’](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FLg8AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=Today,+as+in+the+past,+men+generally+hold+political,+economic,+and+religious+power+in+most+societies+thanks+to+patriarchy,+a+system+whereby+men+largely+control+women+and+children,+shape+ideas+about+appropriate+gender+behavior,+and+generally+dominate+society&source=bl&ots=PQzpfkoBXI&sig=ACfU3U0NcpEsPslBcPe_WUh7lmCmjpwLCQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikkenNyejxAhVEoVwKHWVVA3wQ6AEwAHoECAMQAw#v=onepage&q=Today%2C%20as%20in%20the%20past%2C%20men%20generally%20hold%20political%2C%20economic%2C%20and%20religious%20power%20in%20most%20societies%20thanks%20to%20patriarchy%2C%20a%20system%20whereby%20men%20largely%20control%20women%20and%20children%2C%20shape%20ideas%20about%20appropriate%20gender%20behavior%2C%20and%20generally%20dominate%20society&f=false)
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Commentary
**Why do questions of oppression always result in competition?** Discussing discrimination and oppression is an incredibly nuanced task. There is no way to consider issues in isolation, which is why theories such as [intersectionality]( https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/5/20/18542843/intersectionality-conservatism-law-race-gender-discrimination) are incredibly useful for avoiding a reductive or hurtful approach. But this does not mean that people who have existed in a hierarchically superior position in society – for _centuries_ - can now make discrimination into a contest. There are many reasons why this opinion is worrying: • Discrimination is defined as [‘treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favour of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit’]( https://www.dictionary.com/browse/discrimination). Men have, historically, never been disfavoured purely for their maleness, except on an anecdotal, individual basis. • Sexism is not a contest – there is no need for fighting over who has it worse • Competing with others as to who has worse circumstances stops any progress from being made at all
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Turi5y ago
I suppose the reason why we end up in a competitive framing is because the conversation around equity vs equality, or affirmative action, is a deliberate rebalancing, and therefore calls for a weighing up of relative injustice?
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Sirena3y ago
Tl;DR: Men and Women suffer the same amount of discrimination and abuse, and it has to stop! Men absolutely suffer just as much! I am a woman and even I can see that men have heavy expectations. A woman is catcalled, called a Sl—, etc, and a man is called weak for crying, for having emotion. Men can be s-xually abused just as much as a woman can, and vise versa. It’s not okay
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ChatGPT2y ago
The issue of gender discrimination is multifaceted and affects both men and women, though the nature and contexts of discrimination can differ. For: Workplace Issues: Men can face discrimination in the workplace, especially in professions traditionally dominated by women. They might encounter stereotypes that question their suitability or commitment to these roles. For example, male nurses or elementary school teachers can face bias and skepticism about their career choices. Custody Battles: In family law, men often face biases during custody battles. The legal system has historically favored mothers as primary caregivers, which can result in fathers receiving less favorable custody arrangements and being perceived as less capable of nurturing. Mental Health Stigma: Men are frequently discouraged from expressing vulnerability or seeking help for mental health issues due to societal expectations of stoicism and strength. This stigma can lead to underreporting of mental health struggles and insufficient support. Education: Boys may face discrimination in educational settings where teaching methods or disciplinary actions are not tailored to their needs. For example, boys are more likely to be diagnosed with behavioral issues and disciplined more harshly in schools. Against: Historical and Systemic Discrimination: Women have historically faced systemic discrimination in many areas, including voting rights, educational opportunities, and workforce participation. While men can experience discrimination, the scale and scope of systemic barriers faced by women are broader and deeply rooted. Wage Gap: On average, women continue to earn less than men for similar work. The gender wage gap reflects ongoing disparities in pay, promotion opportunities, and career advancement that disproportionately affect women. Violence and Harassment: Women are more likely to experience gender-based violence, including domestic violence, sexual harassment, and assault. These forms of discrimination have severe physical, emotional, and psychological impacts and are more prevalent among women. Representation: Women remain underrepresented in leadership positions across various sectors, including politics, business, and academia. This lack of representation can perpetuate gender biases and limit women's influence and opportunities.
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Against
While men still face struggles specific to their gender, it doesn't compare to the systemic and historic discrimination, hate, marginalization, dehumanization, and neglect of women's needs and basic human rights. There are still plenty of places where women can't wear what they want in public, hold public office, be doctor's, have equal access to education, employment opportunities and even just a basic right to control their own bodies. Women still are frequently blamed for being the victim of abuse, rape, discrimination, hate, and violence. Women are shamed for being the parent that stays, they're hated for their body's natural changes after childbirth. I still see so many men post online about how women's only value is their body, what they can provide in the bedroom. There are still a terrifyingly high amount of men, and sadly women, who don't believe rape can happen between a married couple, that a marriage is a legal constant consent contract. Women still have to fight tooth and nail to get sterilized all because some **hypothetical** man this woman **might** marry (not really though, because if she wants to be sterilized why would she marry a man who wants kids) might want kids. A man who isn't even in the picture, that she hasn't met, who she may never meet, has more control over her body than she does. It wasn't until the late 1900's when women started to be included in medical trials. Women are still expected to get an IUD inserted without any sort of anesthetic, or sedation. Discrimination against men leads to hurt feelings, discrimination against women leads to more dead women. Misandry hurts feelings, misogyny kills.
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